The latest episode of my Economics Explained podcast, featuring renowned Australian economist, entrepreneur, and angel investor Dr Nicholas Gruen, is now available via Simplecast and major podcast apps.

I had a very enjoyable conversation with Nicholas regarding his views on innovation and digital public goods, picking up on points he’s made in previous papers of his such as Government as Impresario. The discussion is wide ranging and includes fascinating recollections from Nicholas of Kevin Rudd’s 2020 Summit and of his ongoing efforts to promote innovative policy ideas in Australia and overseas. Eventually, our conversation got on to climate change policies and the prospect of using citizens’s juries to decide on policy measures. I hope you enjoy the conversation.